defense. howie carr, nice to see you this morning. >> good to see you. >> there is boston guy and a massachusetts guy. is he qualified? certainly a lot of years in the military certainly a lot of years in the senate. is he he qualified. >> i suppose he is. all the old stories. the testimony from 1971 when he he said that some of his fellow soldiers were vietnam from war criminals. i really don't think that he really wants to be secretary of defense. i think i would be the secretary of state. being the secretary of defense, you know, even if he had to go through a bruising confirmation process it's going to be a thankless job in the next few years. there are going to be defense department budget cuts. you have this mess in afghanistan. and these generals are involved in scandals. i think he would rather be secretary of state. >> clearly, i think he is lobbying for that job. one that looks like is going to susan rice. either way it looks like it could open up a spot for scott brown to run there in massachusetts which we won't get into. if kerr is is the secretary of defense. what does